London Scottish 23-20 Moseley

[observer]

Match Report from the LS website:

Scottish Win To Go Top Of Playoff Pool

London Scottish successfully negotiated step two of the play off campaign when they defeated Moseley 23 - 20 in a very physical and bruising encounter. The score line flattered Moseley as they gained their losing bonus point after they scored their second try of the match in the 88th minute of the game.............

Full story:
www.londonscottish.com/rugby/2009.php

[martinwatson aka Camera Shake]

Does anyone at the game know why the referee awarded us a penalty on the half way line, after the conversion?

[Admin]

I can only imagine that it was for the high tackle that occured before the try as the touch judge went straight over to the ref. If that was the case then surely a yellow card should have been issued, even with only seconds left. It was strange how the most important kick of the game seemed to be rushed?

[martinwatson aka Camera Shake]

www.birminghampost.net/midlands-birmingham-sport/west-midlands-sports/rfu-news/2012/03/18/rfu-championship-play-offs-london-scottish-23-moseley-20-65233-30567183/

Answers my question!

[studleyken]

Another battleing display by Moseley but once again they had left themselves too much to do by the time they had got into their stride, they also gave away more turnover ball than I can remember them doing in any other match I have watched previously. This added to, I think, one of the worst performances by the officials this season tipped the balance in this hard fought game in which LS came out looking the most battered side. LS's 2 tries were also 2 of the softest (I again think) we have had scored against us this season. I thought we had stopped the rot of teams being able to run through us at will.
Final gripe, Ollie did rush the final penalty attempt which would have given us 2 points instead of just the one but every one can have an off moment and why in fact was the penalty given from the centre line and not the place where the penalty was commited if it was for the high tackle? Was it in fact given because the LS players shouted as Ollie was about to take the convertion kick for our last try? It is bad enough when fans shout just before a kick but there is no excuse for opposition players doing it. I have never heard of it before.
I think the above shows my dissopointment at the score but in the end I was not as dissopointed in the team. They battled to the last whistle and if they can do the same for a full 80mins in each of the games to come, we will still be in the Championship next season.
Congratulations should also go to us fans. Vocally we matched the LS crowd who according to their web site are considered by their club to give them the extra 1% needed to help them during a game. I recon we gave the lads a lot more than 1%.
Come on you Mooooose.

[martinwatson aka Camera Shake]

The final penalty was for the high tackle on Andy Reay. The touch judge came in and spoke to the ref before Ollie took the conversion.

[observer]

Mar 19, 2012 11:14:37 GMT martinwatson aka Camera Shake said:

The final penalty was for the high tackle on Andy Reay. The touch judge came in and spoke to the ref before Ollie took the conversion.

Not that I'm doubting you CS - but are you sure?

If it was for an offence before the try was scored, didn't we gain the advantage by scoring the try and therefore cancel out the pending pen?

Surely the only sanction available to the ref is a yellow card (if it warranted this)?
Quite happy to be corrected...............but thought that a post conversion penalty had to be for something that happened AFTER the try was scored.

[martinwatson aka Camera Shake]

I've got the video that shows it

Immediately after the try, it looks like Wag raises it with the ref, who then discusses it with the assistant. The ref then goes to the London Scottish guys and explains something to them - all before the conversion takes place.

The sanction for shouting during a conversion is covered here:

www.irblaws.com/EN/laws/3/9/90/during-the-match/method-of-scoring/the-opposing-team/#clause_90

Video highlights coming soon

I seem to remember seeing this once on a televised match, but I can't remember who/what/where or when

[londonexile]

A similar scenario happened at Newbury a few seasons ago. Bressington made a try-saving tackle, on or over our try line. The Newbury player reacted badly to this and a penalty was awarded on the half-way line. We kicked the 3 points and eventually went on to win that match. I think that if a transgression has happened in the in-goal area then the penalty is taken at the half-way line.

I think I'll just wait to watch the video before making my mind up though.

[willbassett]

If that's the case that surely can't be the correct decision? I do recall a penalty being awarded at the University a few years ago though due to some "afters" following a try.

[exiledinsurrey]

Seen it numerous times over the years - I assume its something to do with the nature of the offence (i.e. foul play) during or after the scoring of a try. A penalty on half way line after the conversion is always the award - the original offence isnt cancelled out by the fact that a try was scored.

[Westcountry Mose]

If the ref orders a kick to be re-taken due to shouting is the clock still running? If it is and the defending team is winning by less than a score, this could be a way of 'running down' the clock. Whatever the answer it seems very unprofessional to act in such a manner. It would appear that LS believe they are a team who are too good to go down and can behave as they see fit.

[seagull]

I was at the game too and agree that we started very slowly. It looked like LS would run away with it but slowly Moseley came back in to the game and started to gain confidence. The more Moseley attacked the better they looked. Moseley were unlucky to lose in the end and the cynical high tackle from LS at the end demonstrated how worried they were. On the LS website they said that the scoreline flattered Moseley, well I don't know which game they were watching in Richmond Park but it certainly wasn't the same one as me! We will beat them back at Billesley. Well played Moseley and well supported to our fans, we matched the KS crowd and nearly silenced them completely at the end.

[turkishmose]

Reading about the penalty after the try. I actually wrote to Referees Ass. about 2yrs ago querying if this rule still applied as you no longer saw this being given?
Years ago you would see it a few times over the season but it seemed with the advent of citing the refs no longer would take action. Maybe its because at our games cameras are only in the crowd!
Well done Mose to get something from this game! After losing twice to them we could have gone into this match with an complex! Use this to finish the job Inshallah!

[Steve@Mose]

Brian Dick's piece:

Referee wrong to award Moseley Rugby kick to draw at London Scottish